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I was reading The Toronto Star newspaper this morning, December 13, and this caught my eye:

“Law puts brakes on school dropouts. Students under 18 risk losing licence if they don’t stay in school until graduation”

The law also will raise the age limit for mandatory school attendance in Ontario (Canada) from 16 to 18. Now, this all sounds great, but I’m not sure I know what to think. I see kids sitting in front of me everyday who do not want to be in school because they feel there is nothing there for them but are forced to be there. Let me tell you, it’s not a pretty sight. The kids I’ve talked to think the new law is “stupid”- gee what a surprise. They want to know what does a driver’s licence have to do with school attendance? Good question.
I’ve just had time to skim the article. I’ll have to take a closer look and consider all the arguments for and against the new laws. My gut feeling is that some kids are round pegs, and they have trouble fitting into the square holes at school. Things do have to change, but I’m not sure if it’s just the laws. To be fair, some things are already changing. There are new programs, new round holes for these kids. I think that Kids need to be able to get something they find useful from school and not have something taken away that has nothing to do with school. What do you think?

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Comments

83 Responses to “Students Who Drop Out of School Can Lose Driver’s Licence”

  1. yang lee on March 9th, 2007 11:05 am

    i think that you guys should let students that drop out keep their license..

  2. Elona on March 9th, 2007 6:01 pm

    Thanks for your feedback Yang Lee. Could you please tell me why you thing students who drop out of school should be able to keep their license.

  3. Shelby on April 30th, 2007 8:41 am

    i think that kids should be able to keep their license because what good is it to take their license. If they dont wanna be in school, they’re not gonna be, at least if they have their license they can go out and get a job.

  4. Elona on April 30th, 2007 9:14 am

    Shelby, I think you have a point about kids needing their license to get to work. I think it would be good if those kids who didn’t like school could work and earn credits at the same time. You know, something like co-op but you’d get paid.

  5. moe k on November 14th, 2007 12:02 am

    ok fisrt of all this law is stuipid cruel and makes no sense there are reasons y kids dropp out mine started in gr 4 til gr 9 the psycological pressure bad teachers put on me was insane i started smokeing cuz of it now i cant stop there are more but it will be too long and wat about rural ontario kids i live in the small village of searchmont 50 km away from the nearest city no bus no train nothing but forest u tell my how im gona comute to work to get food and so on i mightaswell take off to the mountains and live like a mountain man o ya driving was my dream since i was a little kid and wen i herd about this law my dream crashed to the ground i dropped out befor the law and i am far to behind to cach up luckely i moved from my homtown befor the law or the people responable for my reason i droped out (bad teachers) would have gotten a nice beating.

  6. brittany on December 10th, 2007 6:39 am

    I think the law is stupid I just droped ou like three weeks ago because i didnt like my teachers and the teachers didnt like me and if i was having a problem with something I would ask a question and it was like i had asked them to kill somebody so i droped out because i felt like it wasnt for me and now i might be about to lose my license this sucks because how am i goin to get to work i have no other rides and its not like im out doing drugs or anything so i dont see why they should take away baxically my only freedom in life because some teacher didnt want to do her job I think the law is cruel and its punishing us for no reason

  7. Scott on February 25th, 2008 8:24 pm

    i just dont get it.
    if i drop out right now (age 16) what happens to me ? :S
    i might not get my licenece but thats ok for now, but is it like forever ?

  8. Elona Hartjes on February 26th, 2008 5:20 pm

    Scott,
    Good question. I’m not sure but I think you’d be out of luck until your 18, the legal age for quitting school.

  9. Natacha on February 27th, 2008 11:49 am

    Dont drop out of school. Take some advice from a senior. It’s not worth going all them years in school and then just giving up because you dont like school or your teachers. Your not supposed to love it but it is what gets you somwhere in life

  10. Shanden on March 6th, 2008 8:08 pm

    so, I am 17 right now, if I drop out will I be in trouble of any kind.. I don’t drive, but my school principel is threatning me realy that on the 20th of this month i will have to see the school board of ejucation. Why is that… they keep saying Oh we can fine you and such.. so what the hell… are they just bloffing me or is this for real… i dint do anything bad, just not showing up… my mom went to the school three times trying to talk me into going back… all i ever wanted was to take the year off, a break… school is so boreing… i just sit there turn on my ipod and watch movies or lissen to music… not doing any work at all… this semester i only showed up… 3 times lol.. so… what the hell is going on? some one tell me lol plz..

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  11. Shanden on March 6th, 2008 8:30 pm

    Sorry for spelling errors was speaking my mind.. lol

  12. Elona Hartjes on March 7th, 2008 5:30 am

    Shanden,
    Don’t worry about the spelling. I’m not the greatest speller in the world myself.

    As far as what trouble you’ll be in if you drop out of school, I’m not sure what the law is where you live. Here, kids have to stay in school until they’re 18. If they don’t,they end up in court.

    I’m really sorry that you find school boring and that it does nothing for you. Perhaps there are alternative programs that you could do instead of regular school that would be better for you. We have different programs at our school. Maybe there are some different programs at your school. Check it out. Ask.

    I have students who went to other school programs and liked it better. In fact, when students tell me they’re sick of school, I suggest they check out co-op. In co-op, you go to work and get school credits. You don’t have to sit in a classroom all day. Kids love it and are always glad they did co-op. Check it out because co-op is more like real life than school- that’s why kids like it.

    Get your mom to ask about co-op or other programs. Regular school isn’t for everyone, but everyone needs an education that’s why there are other programs.

    Hope this helps.

  13. Gabard Etienne on March 23rd, 2008 3:14 pm

    Well, i also think it is unfair to take their license, but at the same time it is a way that can bring them back to school. Because in my understanding they don’t want it for real. By the way i am Haitian, and i am doing a reserch on students who drop out school early age as sixteen, to be honest with all of you who are reading my e-mail, i left Haiti and that was a blessing because i find a way where i can persuit a degree in life not just for me, but also to help those who do not have a target.Therefore, the best thing to do, is staying in school and you will not have to worry about people taking your license, why it has to be you and not someone else saying the same thing you are saying. Have you ever felt hungry and you feel like you need someone to cook some for you, but as matter of fact no body is around, if you are hungry for real you would stand on your feet and get up to cook some for yourself. This is the same thing my friends, my sisters, my brothers, be or stay in school and have a degree its like you cook your own food and you dont have to worry about some body else does it for you. i don’t have money to stay in school, i am struggling days and night, but everytime i am thinking that there will be one day that it iwill not be the same it gives courage to keep on going, and this is the same thing i am doing now for you, i am encouraging you to stay in school. Stay in school please!

  14. Elona Hartjes on March 23rd, 2008 4:28 pm

    Gabard,
    Thank you for encouraging students to stay in school and telling them why. Sometime young people cannot see the long term consequences of their actions.

  15. Miss Profe on March 23rd, 2008 7:08 pm

    Students should be able to keep the driver’s license. Even though school in the traditional sense may not have worked out, the ability to drive may enable them to pursue a more viable course.

  16. nate magg on April 1st, 2008 7:49 am

    should high school students still get the license yes or no ?

  17. Elona Hartjes on April 1st, 2008 5:24 pm

    Nate,
    Yes, as long as they fulfill the requirements for getting the license. I do not see the connection between not attending school and not being able to drive- apples and oranges. I think the move is a desperate attempt to get kids to stay in school.

  18. Richard Davies on April 10th, 2008 4:15 pm

    Poverty is a good motivator for an education.

    But don’t you find it odd that some of you on here don’t feel an education is of any use yet you apologize for bad spelling ??

    Perhaps deep down you can see the value ?

    I live in the UK and was a virtual dropout, but now i’m re educating myself and am now a teacher for the money.. oh yes and the kids .. :-)

    Education isn’t about remembering facts and numbers it’s about giving YOU a set of tools to learn what you want or need to. It shows you how to find information or how to break down a problem into smaller parts. It shouldn’t be fun ( because fun 24/7 would become very boring very soon ) but it should be just a little challenging and a little enjoyable, just enough to keep you interested for life.

  19. Elona Hartjes on April 10th, 2008 8:15 pm

    Richard,
    Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the topic. Yes, poverty is an excellent motivator, and yes education is about getting a set of tools you can use to help yourself get ahead. As a teacher, I try to make school a little bit of fun and a little bit of a challenge for my students and for me. After all, I need to have fun and be challenged too.

  20. Karen on April 17th, 2008 12:29 pm

    i definitely think people who drop out should be able to get/keep their license because school has nothing to do with having a license. kids can excel in having jobs and being in the real world but not finish school. i think they should change that law.

  21. Elona Hartjes on April 17th, 2008 6:09 pm

    Karen,
    I agree.

  22. Diana on April 23rd, 2008 2:32 pm

    I am a seventeen year old mother.
    I dropped out November of 2007.
    I was nine months pregnant and VERY uncomfortable. My plan though was to drop out and do another program online so I would be able to stay at home with my daughter. Three months after I dropped out I got a letter in the mail saying my license was about to get revoked because I dropped out.
    Come to find out, the program I was going to do didnt qualify you to have your license because it wasnt enough hours during the week.
    So now Im sitting in my fourth period..
    wishing I was at home with my daughter.
    But Im not because of some stupid law.
    Everyday I come home and I feel like Ive missed so much..
    But I have to have my license,
    and I have to have my diploma.

  23. Brittney on May 28th, 2008 8:29 am

    Okay well Im still in school. Actually in school right now. Im doing a speech about losing your license if you dropout. Well Im against that. Alot of pregnant teens have to dropout, by taking away their license your taking away their chance to maintain their jobs and ways to get to and from work. they may need their vehicle to take their kid the hospital. Many teens who have gotten pregnant or are the father who must take care of the child, need vehicles. there are 468,988 babies born to teenage mothers a year and of those about 300,000 mothers drop out before they graduate. those mothers could of been the best students, they may have just made mistakes. why should the government take away their mean of transportation. dont you think they are doing the right thing by taking care of their child. but they are making it harder to do.

    by the way if you could possibly figure out how many of the mothers actually drop out you could help me with my paper. :)

  24. Elona Hartjes on May 28th, 2008 7:36 pm

    Brittney,
    I’m glad you wrote back to tell us you’re still in school. I was hoping that you’d stay and graduate. I know it’s not easy for you, but it looks like you have what it takes to hang in there. Good.

    You’ve made some good points. As for your question, about how many moms drop out of school I think that it’s OK to say that about 300,000 drop out. You don’t need an exact figure to make your point.

    Hope that helps.

  25. Dustin Isaacs on August 20th, 2008 1:05 pm

    school os a priveledge and so are a teens drivers licence, so if you can’t even finish school then why should you be able to keep your licence?

  26. Kristin on August 30th, 2008 10:47 am

    I think this is stupid some people can’t help that they have to drop out. I dropped out of school because I was kicked out of my house with no where to go. How was I supposed to afford my own place without working full time. I had to work full time and in order to work full time I couldn’t go to school full time.

  27. Shandi on September 2nd, 2008 10:04 am

    Ok, so if you drop out and have a job, you still dont get to keep your liscense?What if you are pregnant and HAVE to work, and are tired of going to school?ya know i need someone to talk to about this….please contact me at metallicas2cool4u@yahoo.com or drunken_boxer_13@yahoo.com thanks,
    Person in need of assistance

  28. Elona Hartjes on September 2nd, 2008 4:21 pm

    Shandi,
    I hear what you are saying.Thanks for giving us your insight into the problem.

  29. tony on September 4th, 2008 1:12 pm

    i think the law is stupid because what if a girl gets pregnant and has to drop out? or if u feel school aint for u im 16 years old and still in school but i feel that i dont have a reason to be here i mean im trying my hardest but im felling all my subjects i feel like its just un fear teanagers that drop out should beable to keep there license or get them because school aint for everybody

  30. cody on September 11th, 2008 11:56 pm

    well im 16 and my skool iz kinda gay and retarded and i’m thinkin about dropin out but could i really lose mii licence if i do??
    all i do iz sit there and watch videos on mii ipod and music i don’t do any of mii work there and all the teachers there are b****s and i hate them.

    nice article i like it =)

  31. colby on September 17th, 2008 1:13 pm

    im 17 im in the process of withdrawling from school but yesterday ive realized i need my education and now my mother wont allow me to go back to school what can i do to go back i really want my education thanks please help me

  32. Elona Hartjes on September 17th, 2008 4:48 pm

    Colby,
    You know your mom is probably really frustrated because you probably made promises before about school.

    I don’t know that I can help you other than telling you that if you walk your talk she’ll believe you.If you really want an education and you say that you do, you can do that in alternative settings. Talk to your guidance counselor about that and maybe when you show your mom you are really serious by walking your talk and earning some credits in the alternative settings she’ll believe you. You can also do correspondence courses to earn credits too. That’s also an option.

    Hope that gives you some ideas.

  33. Jordan N. on September 18th, 2008 8:06 am

    Hi, I’m only 14 years old (Hard to tell, eh? I just like when people understand what I write, that’s why I’m literate) and I want to drop out of school. (Even though I can’t really leave, I’ll skip every single school day if I have to.)

    I HATE it there.. I mean, I go to a french school and I HATE french. I’m kind of shy, so I can’t speak french without studdering, or just mumbling it.

    I love Japanese stuff. I listen to Japanese music all the time, as a matter of fact, I’m listening to it right now..(I can even speak Japanese, but I can’t read Japanese characters or write them..) But, I want to live in Japan, so I decided I wanted to be an english teacher in Japan.
    But, of course, the part of Nova-Scotia(Canada) that I live in (Tusket)
    only has a french school, and in town there’s english schools.. But, my school guidance counselor said I can’t change to the english ones in town, because I live too far away (About 30 minutes, but no bus from Town schools come down here)
    I don’t know what to do,
    School isn’t for me. I get bullied alot, actually. I decided to get piercings. So I’m 14 with a lip piercing and eyebrow piercing. I like the way I style my hair, I like my piercings.. I still get made fun of.

    I called my mom this morn, (I’m home alone right now, I purposely missed the bus. AGAIN.) and told her I wasn’t going, and that I wanted to drop out and get a job somewhere so I can visit Japan for a year..

    Sorry for so much writing, I’m just.. mad..

  34. Elona Hartjes on September 19th, 2008 4:27 pm

    Jordan,
    It’s OK to be mad. Don’t apologize for writing so much.

    I’m concerned about the fact that you get bullied. You need to talk to someone at school about that so that the bullying stops. The school administration needs to know. You and your mom could go and talk to the principal. There must be an anti-bully policy at your school.

  35. Ash on September 29th, 2008 12:52 am

    Hi,I don’t know if anybody goes to this topic anymore,but I’m 15 years old and homeschooled. i used to go to regular school until I switched. I just can’t stand school of any kind,doesn’t matter if its homeschool or what. I’m curious of a couple things. If we just don’t show up to schools before the age of 18,what things would we be facing in court? If we did go to school,what are these co-op programs about?

  36. Elona Hartjes on September 29th, 2008 5:08 am

    Ash,
    Co-op is a program where students go out to work and earn credits toward their high school diploma. At our school, students spend the first month of school learning how to prepare for the world of work-resumes, interview skills etc. Then they go to work 4 days a week and are in school 1 day. There’s also 1/2 day co-op. Full day co-op students earn 4 credits.

    I’ve found that most students really like co-op because it gets them out of school into the world of work.

    You can get more detailed info from your local school.

  37. Robert on October 1st, 2008 3:25 pm

    Hi, I’m a student in school in Ontario, I’m 15 right now, but I’ll be 16 in a few days and it’s been my decision to drop out for a long time now. However I’ve been told many things and I can’t seem to get a straight answer, it’s either “You could be put in a group home” or “You can’t drop out because you have to be 18″. My decision to drop out came to me a while ago, actually just after the summer rolled in this year I was thinking about everything I’ve failed so far and how hard it would be to catch up with everything (It’s pretty bad, my attendance at my “home” school – as they call it – was bad because of being sick too much). So I was moved to an alternate school, one with few people in the class, I have no friends within the class that I can associate with and on top of that I’ll be honest, I’ve probably missed 10 days total so far because of excessive migraines and headaches. I’m surprised I haven’t been kicked out already but with my current conditions I really don’t even care for trying anymore. Class is boring when I’m there and I end up having to walk home for lunch which ends up making me late because its so far, I just can’t put up with it so my decision was clear up until a few days ago when we had a meeting at the alt ed school and they basically told me there’s no way I can drop out. Truancy officer this, court that, is any of this shit real or is it just to keep me in school, and what would I face in court, cause I’d do anything to never see the inside of a school again for a long time till I feel I’ve had the time off that I need.

  38. Robert on October 1st, 2008 3:32 pm

    Sorry for a repost, I just wanted to mention that my plan after dropping out was to work with my mom and dad, which would not need me to have a drivers license seeing as it’s my parents business they can bring me to work.

  39. Elona Hartjes on October 1st, 2008 4:02 pm

    Robert,
    I’m sorry you’re having such a rough time with school.

    Yes, you need to attend school til you’re 18. Yes, the court will get involved if you don’t. But, you still have other options. There is alternative co-op that you could do. You’d work and not be in school all the time. Many of my students have absolutely loved co-op because they aren’t in school.

    I encourage you to look into other options. Your home school can tell you the ones that are available for you. I just came from a meeting at my school where we discussed kids who need other options and believe me they are there other options. The system is finally recognizing that the classroom isn’t for everyone. There are many different ways to get your high school diploma.

    It is never too late to start earning credits. I know that it’s feels like a an over whelming task. But, take one step at a time and before you know it you’ll be there.
    You’re first step could be to find another program that will work for you. Ask for help, there are teachers that can help you. Good luck.

  40. Jim on October 6th, 2008 8:20 am

    These laws are enacted not out of sound policy but out of frustration at the failure of the school system to keep students engaged and motivated, or to provide meaningful alternatives for at risk students. At risk students do not see the relevance to what they are doing in school, that the things they are learning may be important in ways that they cannot possibly foresee. This is why they drop out. They are bored and want immediate rewards. For teens, parents are largely irrelevant on this point – friends are the most influential source of information (despite what polls say). The failure is largely in an excessively rigid system, but the blame is placed only on the students when they don’t buy in. For example, research is clear that teens do poorly with early morning schedules, yet school systems insist on maintaining only early schedules for high schools, and punish students for being tardy. Even colleges have started later class offerings. North Carolina has had a punitive “drop out or do poorly in high school, lose your license” law for ten years. It has not worked – drop out rates are slightly higher in that time period. In fact, I know of a few instances where it has caused some teens to drop out. They had poor grades, lost their license and the combination caused them to give up entirely. These laws are the equivalent of the mandatory sentencing craze of a few years ago, whose consequences were that many prisoners were given unfairly harsh sentences for minor crimes. I am not sure what the exact answer to the drop out rate is, but losing your license is not the solution.

  41. Elona Hartjes on October 6th, 2008 5:21 pm

    Jim,
    Than you for sharing your insight. I totally agree with you.

  42. cynthia on November 12th, 2008 11:35 am

    hey everybody i think she is right i shuld have to stay in school but i did a lot of recerch and i think i know what she is talking about

  43. brandon on November 19th, 2008 5:28 pm

    butt if you have a 40 hour job wnen u drop out can u keep them

  44. Elona Hartjes on November 19th, 2008 6:00 pm

    Brandon,
    I believe that you have to stay in school until you graduate from high school or until you are 18 unless you are working at some type of co-op placement. It’s not the number of hours that’s important. It’s that you are attending school in some type of program. It can be an alternative school setting. We offer alternative programs to students. Are you working as part of a school program?

  45. Hannah on November 30th, 2008 2:21 am

    Don’t you think it is kind of funny how all of the kids that said they had either dropped out or were about to, can’t spell! I think that is hilarious. And they wonder why they need to stay in school.

  46. Elona Hartjes on November 30th, 2008 7:32 am

    Hannah,
    Yes, I’ve notice that too. Maybe school needs to be different for some kids. Sitting in classrooms all day isn’t for everyone. I think some type of co-op program would be better- work part of the day and in class part of the day. I’ve seen the most disengaged kids who hate school love co-op and do really well.

  47. Matt on December 1st, 2008 5:13 pm

    i think u should be able to drop out and keep ur lince like my budy droped out cuz his dad was going to losse the farm and he went and worked and got his dad to keep the farm and they going to take ur lince for helping ur famley keep the spot they live i think that takeing ur lince if u drop out is messed up big time like im going to drop out so now ill have no lince till im 18 that is messed up

  48. Jonathan on December 11th, 2008 9:40 pm

    I have a unique situation. I am 6’9 and hated high school because of it. I live in Florida by the way. So heres what happaened. I went to be transferred to home schooling. But this was about the time of katrina so they were accepting alot of students from everywhere for transfer. That being, they hired an unexperienced lady to handle homeschooling. She withdrew from high school, which was peachy keen, but then she gave me the curriculm for a middle school student and told me the school board would contact me in about 3-5 months for a review. So about 7 months go by and i finally call them to see whats up and they tell me im SOL because the lady was supposed to enroll me in virtual school. So here i am now 17 and ready to get my liscense but im taking night school classes to get a GED. Can i get my liscense just being enrolled in the calsses or do i need to have the actual GED? Thanks in advance and very helpful forum. You can respond on here or to xxxxxxxxxxxx

  49. Elona Hartjes on December 11th, 2008 10:15 pm

    Jonathan,
    I’ve emailed you a reply.

  50. april on December 18th, 2008 12:10 pm

    i think that just because people drop out does not mean that they should lose their license thats mean

  51. kaylee on January 12th, 2009 7:23 am

    im considering droping out and what good is it if you take kids license away!! how will they drive to work?what if theyre going to a school for their GED? how do you expect us to get around?

    thats stupid

  52. Audrey on January 19th, 2009 6:01 pm

    The way I see it, some kids just don’t like school and I honestly don’t see that as a good reason to drop out. But in another sense, some people have a lot of trouble in school, whether it be they’re being put through tough things by other kids in school, or their life at home isn’t good and they struggle with their grades, or some girls get pregnant and have to drop out and if the father is still in school he may have to drop out to get his GED and join the service. Some people actually do have a good reason for dropping out.

    I’m a junior in high school and I want to get my diploma. I’ve never been the kind of person who wanted to drop out and settle for a GED. I have my license and I don’t want to lose it, but I’ve been thinking about dropping out. I don’t have the best grades and I know I’m not going to get into any big college and I’m fine with a community college. The things I’ve considered as a career can all be done with a GED. My life is very complicated in school and outside of school, and most of my friends are out of school – a mix of graduates and drop outs. I don’t see people who drop out as slackers or anything like that. Some people just need to settle for a GED. And I happen to be one of those people.

    But I do want to make the best out of it and make something out of my life. My dad works and my mom has to take care of my little sister. Neither of them can run me around and my friends work or are in school. I want to keep my job so that I can have money to make payments on my phone and my car and to make sure I have clothes and food whenever I go out, and to get done what I need to get done. To get to work, I need my license. To get to the school so I can get my GED, I need my license. And to go to a community college to make something of myself, I need a license.

    It doesn’t make you a bad person for dropping out and getting your GED. And people who drop out but still plan on working and continuing their education with a GED shouldn’t be punished by getting the one thing that can still help them make something of their life taken away from them. People shouldn’t be forced to stay in school just to keep their license (which has nothing to do with school work) when a lot of those people who do drop out have good reasons to.

    I know that I will be ok with my GED and I know that I can still make something of myself even if I don’t get my high school diploma. But I need my license to do that. Taking that away from me isn’t going to keep me in school. Its just going to make starting my life a lot harder and more stressful. Along with a lot of other kids who don’t stay in school for good reasons.

    I honestly think that this law should be looked over again, and people should consider what they’re putting these kids through, and what they’re doing to the kids who still want to make something of themselves even if they choose to take the “easy way” out.

  53. Elona Hartjes on January 19th, 2009 6:15 pm

    audrey,
    thank you so much for your thoughtful comment. I’m with you on this one.

  54. bob on January 23rd, 2009 2:58 am

    ok. I am an American who has dropped out. I can see taking the license. Accept. If the individual has a job, or is making plans for a GED or is going to Earlie college like my self.
    The reason i dropped out simply i found that my IQ had exceeded the teachers, and not only that i was almost killed in my high school. It had gotten to a point to where i was literately afraid to go and take a piss. To be quite frank. The American school system has gone down the tubes for an individual to feel like this. sadly i found the only result was to drop out. I have received my GED and i am going to be attending college in September i will be 17 years old. Back to the subject. For a Person who has a job or who is perusing to make there life straight after dropping out, and to take the license is not only cruel but entrapment. in my opinion.

  55. No School no License, No Credit on April 11th, 2009 10:37 pm

    I say if you drop out regardless the reason you should not get your dirvers license and NO credit. You should not be hired anywhere unless you are in school and or pursuing an education. PERIOD.

  56. Brian on May 1st, 2009 4:12 pm

    My wife dropped out of school after 9th grade because she was too embarrassed to be in gym class because she was too fat. She got a GED and its totally useless. She doesn’t know anything, can’t get a job anywhere and cant hold down a job. Don’t drop out. Even semi retarded people can graduate from high school.

  57. Marie on October 21st, 2009 4:27 pm

    hi i am 15 and i am dropping out to be homeschooled and i was wondering will i be incapible of getting my lisences before i turn 16?

  58. Elona Hartjes on October 21st, 2009 8:48 pm

    Marie,
    Not sure but think home schooled is still in school. You best check witha school in your area.

  59. Jesse on November 12th, 2009 10:38 am

    I plan to drop out of school myself and I believe this law is very unfair. I mean honestly I need my licence to get to work and I HAVE to work or I wont be able to survive. I got kicked out and had no where to go for a while. I’m only 16 and I still don’t have any of my belongings from the place I was kicked out of. I need my job…

  60. Ashley on November 24th, 2009 12:41 pm

    im 15 now just dropped out of high school for many reasons not fitting in cant keep my grades up its really stressful. im planning on getting a job, but our leagal age for dropping out is 18. What will happen and will i be able to get my licence to travel to work.

  61. EDi on November 24th, 2009 10:39 pm

    here in texas u can drop out when ur 16 but u need ur parents signature

  62. Cas on November 27th, 2009 11:44 pm

    I do not think anyone should be able to drop out of school. The Western world is very fortunate to have the right to be educated. School is the best investment of your life. It is one thing to be stupid when you are young, but to be stupid when you are grown, SHAME on you. Get your butt in school, what else are you doing other than getting into trouble. No one is too cool for school. Individuals of society can always use improvement. Unless you want to work at McDonalds or sell drug or your body for a living I suggest you go to school. Try to make the most of it. I support this new law, kids need structure and authority in their life and negative reinforcement is never a bad thing. I say if you do not have at least a grade 12 education you should NEVER be able to get a license. Maybe that will give people some incentive to get a high school education.
    Cas PhD Candidate
    Canada

  63. Jen on November 29th, 2009 5:24 pm

    Cas,
    What does one do when they’re working 70 hours a week at an occupation which requires performing a safety sensitive job and trying to take two classes online? Quit their job to earn an associates degree that may or may not lead to employment? What works for you does not work for everyone and SHAME on you for forcing your opinion on others. If we all had the ability to learn unlimited amounts of information, I am sure there are many more people who would pursue degrees but the reality is, sometimes it takes more than just the desire to earn a degree to succeed. And although you are in Canada, I must ask the question of the U.S. What happened to living in a free country formed upon the belief that its citizens should be able to make their own choices? Are these rights only available to those who are over 18? If so, no wonder young adults have such a tough time. I am not advocating dropping out as a solution for all but in my own experience, sometimes life gets in the way and each of us has to make our own choices. Life is hard enough for teens. As someone else said, instead of making senseless laws, why not concentrate on improving the school system and offer more social support for young people and control the bullies in some of these high schools? When even those who do graduate from high school cannot read and write properly, this says a lot about the education system in the United States.

  64. kody kocel on March 23rd, 2010 6:02 am

    this is true i droped out my last year and i cant driver tell im 21 this is bull shit

  65. Rachael on April 18th, 2010 4:10 pm

    I’m 16 and I’m dropping out of high school to take online classes for important and personal reasons. would that effect me getting my license ??

  66. Richard on May 17th, 2010 6:55 am

    Every school system needs a certified reading specialist – with at least a masters degree in reading. The reading specialist must have a positive attitude – able to test all students from first grade through high school – to find out their reading levels – independent level, instructional level, and frustration level. Once that is determined then develop a curriculum for all students – remedial, developmental, enrichment, speedreading, and test taking techniques. When you find a student that is below his/her grade level in reading – show the teacher how to use the reading lab that encompasses all levels. At the end of each school year give a posttest to see how much growth they have made in reading and continue sending that information on to the next grade level each year. When a drastic change has taken place such as: skipping school, poor grades, negative attitude – check the files and see what may have caused this unusual behavior. Is he/she still reading below their grade level. Contact the principal – ask if you can make a home visit to see if the teacher can determine the source of the behavioral change. If so what can the classroom teacher or the school do that will alleviate the problem.

  67. Debbie on June 7th, 2010 2:34 pm

    Just a thought, if you aren’t bright enough to get through school, (as unpleasant as some find it), do we really want you behind the wheel of a multi-ton machine? As for the arguement of needing a licence to get to work if not attending school, if you can’t put up with a few years of teachers telling you what to do, how will you EVER hold a job, let alone progress towards a rewarding career? Grow up before expecting adult privledges.

  68. Paul on June 29th, 2010 2:19 pm

    I have taught in the inner city, and I have also taught in the inner-inner-city. When you get into the most desperate areas, the problem is more related to “the cycle of poverty” than educational motivation.

  69. Elona Hartjes on June 29th, 2010 5:24 pm

    Students’ lack of motivation is a complex issue. If you cannot afford a car, why would you care about a driving license. Actually when you think about it, the idea that all students have drivers licenses to be taken away is a bit arrogant.

  70. Tabitha on September 16th, 2010 9:42 pm

    In my state, dropping out is allowed at 16, but you stand a chance at losing your license at random if you do so before the age of 18. I think this is ridiculous. If I were to get a job, how would they expect me to get to it? Driving, I think, should be counted as a basic freedom in the US. And by violating my rights, I think it’s bullshit. The worst part is, they usually don’t tell you your license was pulled until you get pulled over. It’s total crap, and completely unreasonable. What makes them believe kids who want to drop out will change their minds for the sake of being able to drive?

    I’m 17 and a soph. I want to drop out so I can get my GED at 18 and go to college the following year. I’m done dealing with drama – I can’t think straight in school anyway. I’m not a bad kid. I don’t drink, do drugs, or break laws. I know not all of them are that way, but if a kid wants to make a stupid decision, so be it. They’ll learn the hard way.

    Stop with the stupid laws, America.

  71. austin on September 29th, 2010 3:57 pm

    I’ve been kicked out of school several times for drug offenses. I know if i go back it’s just going to be a repeat. On top of that im barely gettin bye with all Ds. I don’t know what the law is in my area (oklahoma). Is there any way for me to be able to drop out and still get my lisence and a job when i turn 16?

  72. Lisa Singer on October 14th, 2010 2:58 pm

    If you do drop out of school and your license is taken away, there are still other options. I’m not saying I agree with the law, I’m just here to present some other options to those who have been directly affected by this. They can still earn their high school diploma online from the comfort of their home without having to attend school or drive anywhere. Check out Franklin Virtual Schools for more information.

  73. Shay on June 29th, 2011 11:03 am

    I went to school,graduated and have had some college. When I was younger, I had a hard time in school. The school offered my family a program that kept me out of resource but allowed me to have a teachers aid available and sometimes their in class with me. I really was lucky because I was not picked on or made fun of. Now children are different, they are not like we had 15 years ago, and the rooms did not have as many students. During this time for the most part many teachers took the time to explain things a little more than they do now.
    While in college I encountered some of the things some of the students or people on here are talking about. When I was ignored I had the fight or flight symdrome, many time I wanted to run. I had a good friend in college that encouraged me to continue and who helped me when she could. I think the key is not to give up. I recently decided to make use of tutors. Many people think that its embarrasing and so did I to ask for help, but its really not that bad. I even had a man that was willing to work with me when I had noone to watch my youngest son. He would go out of his way to meet with me in public places where my son could play while we worked. It is really amazing how many people with step out and help you if you are genuinly needing it and ready to do the work.
    I do believe that people who are old enough to get their liscence should be able to if they are 18. I have a nephew who was banned from school. He is a great kid he reminded that some teachers do not take the time to help the students. I watched a movie called Waiting on Superman and even though you might think its boring when you sit down and really watch it, its kinda sad. Once teachers have been teaching for two years they get tenure, which lets them not be fired. This is not good. I believe they should be rated by faculty and students and students should be able to express their feeling without feeling uncomfortable and anonymously. So I say again I really wish the government would reconsider liscence revoktion for students who drop out or get put out.

  74. Tori on October 18th, 2011 1:58 pm

    I live in Alabama and i’m dropping out of school to get into college faster, all colleges accept a GED. I don’t think it’s right to pull license either because of work I need work to pay for college. I also have a question i know for around 100 dollars you can get it back but what if you get your GED immediately after, do you get to keep your license? And I found a area where in the future if i need it i’ll get a high school diploma I already know some jobs don’t accept just a GED i’m prepared to move forward. Also i know several people who have done this and finished there community college by the time the others graduate. By the way i’m 17 and a junior.

  75. kyle on November 9th, 2011 3:04 pm

    if im 18 i don’t need a parents signature right? and they wont get a call that im no longer in school right?

  76. Russell on November 10th, 2011 9:12 am

    Im 17 and its been in my mind to drop out for awhile now. (Even since i was 15) School just doesn’t work out for me. I get into fist fights with most of the kids. In honesty schools been going on for about 2 months
    I’ve already missed 104 days of school due to suspensions and simply not going. I have 16 credits and no community hours, What the hell is this law. There is kids out there who simply just cant put up with the PEOPLE in school. Its not necessarily their lazy, im extremely shy and easy to provoke I’ve almost fought teachers over some stupid stuff. This is saying because I cant deal with the idiots in my school I cant drive! how am i suppose to get to work? I have also suffered a pretty sever injury, I cut my index finger and my thumb off in shop class (which have been re attached by a rather awesome Surgeon) and my physio is over 2 hours away! How am i suppose to get there

    Could you please send me some more information
    Rlong187@hotmail.com

  77. Gene on January 16th, 2012 1:26 pm

    I am a 17 year old student in Alberta. This law is a pathetic attempt for the government to try and keep people in school arbitrarily. Many of these drop-outs leave school because they are ostracized by thier peers or they feel that what they are being taught is irrelavant. To take away thier license is to cripple them and leave them in a worse position to find a job. SO to demand they go back to school in exchange for their license will lilely lead them down the path of depression.

  78. Elona Hartjes on January 16th, 2012 6:08 pm

    Gene,
    What can I say!

  79. Shannah on January 17th, 2012 6:26 pm

    i think that when a student drops out they should be able to keep there license because if you are in the same condition I am in and wanting to drop out and go to college because of finacial problems at home then you should be able to keep them so that you can get around to college and to work. because i have a 10 year old little sister who i want to help take care of and i want to get out of living in the apartments because we have a house hold of 5 and it gets crowded here.

  80. Nina on January 18th, 2012 10:24 am

    As a parent, I think it needs to be clearer. Does this mean below 18 the license can be taken away? So never, ever when this person is 40yrs old he still cant have a license? Or does it mean during school age and driving age it will be taken away if they are not doing good or drop out? Stupid law!
    It all starts at home and with teachers. Who wants to be in school with a screaming teachers or one that doesnt care? I have to say teachers ARE NOT what they use to be and that is INSPIRATIONAL! I had so many and now my kids are very lucky if they have one. I choose home school if I could.

  81. Elona Hartjes on January 19th, 2012 9:29 am

    Nina,
    I think the law only applies to those under 18 and does not affect people once they reach 19 so a 40 year old would not be affected.

    I agree it all starts at home and teachers and parents need to work together for the best of students.

  82. Jeffery on May 8th, 2012 4:29 am

    Well i know here in Texas im planning on leaving high school on my 18th birthday i can read just fine i can spell decently, my grammar isn’t very good nor math but does that mean that since i just want too leave i shouldn’t be able too drive anywhere? No i don’t think so basically by taking away someone’s license just because they don’t want too be in a school can possibly lead them to doing worse things by them being not able too drive and find a job.

  83. jordan on May 16th, 2012 4:55 pm

    im 17 and i droped out of school . i think if kids wanna drop out let them but the school shouldnt have the right to take our license away , what if we get a job before were 18 , r we so post to walk hell na , we wanna drive , the school system needs to be ran by somone eles , give me my damn license .
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